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max range of these calibers.?

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what is the range of these calibers and what can they be used to hunt?
.22 short
.22long
.22 lr
.17 hmr
.17 mach two
.17 Remington fireball. and why are there three different names. are they the same?
22-250 Remington why does the name say Remington?

and if you have a favorite for any or a few of these please list

and sorry i am fairly new to rifles just got a .22 marlin 60 and am looking to know the difference just got my hunting license and am now hooked for life.

thanks for the help

john.
since the .22-250 is centerfire and more pricy what is a smaller caliber that is decent past 150 yards? and even thought .22-250 is centerfire how much bigger then a .22lr is it?
and would you recomend a .17hmr for a second rifle in comparison to a .22lr or is it to similar and if so what is the next step you guys think would be good and fun?

thanks for the great help
john

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These are very small rounds, so if you are looking for accuracy over a long distance you’re not going to find it. The .22 is a great round for small game, but if your target is more than 50 yards away then it is just chance on whether or not you’ll hit the target.

Of all of these the .22 LR is the most versatile round. You can use it to hunt anything from mice and squirrels to coyotes.

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Over a mile most of the time.

effective is different then max.

Effective depends on use. .22 short, 25 yards is pushing it if you are target shooting, .22 LR, you are looking 100 yards will push it, 50 is best. .22 Mag is good for 100 to 150.

22-250 is great for out to 500 easy.

And the 17 HMR and 17 HMR mach 2 are Hornaday Magnum Rimfire They are not the same. Just because the front numbers are identical doesn’t mean they are.

.17 HMR is good for rabbit and coons,

.22 is about the same as .17,

.22-250 is great for predators up to coyotes, and i you are a great shot and are lucky enough you might cleanly take a deer with it, but that is pushing its limits.

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Ok, this is like four questions in one. Here we go:

.22 short is very low power (although still dangerous) and isnt good for hunting much unless its very small and within 100 feet. Most Semi-autos will not function properly with them. .22long is rare, sort of in between short and LR. You wont find guns chambered in it made in the last 30 years or so.

.22LR is by far the most common and inexpensive round out there. It can be used for hunting small animals like squirrel & rabbit, but NOT coyote. Its effective range is about 100 yards at the most. Its arguably the best starter caliber due to low recoil and low price.

.17HMR (hornady magnum rimfire) is a very small but very fast round that is great for varmints, and has limited usefullness on coyote. I have hunted coyote with .17hmr, and you need to be close and have very good shot placement. Its great for praire dogs as it has a longer effective range than .22LR. Its fairly common and is beginning to become very popular. It will just about blow a squirrel in two halves @ 30 yards.

.17M2 is NOT the same as .17 HMR. It does about the same things but is a little faster and slightly more powerful. Its also uncommon, and never really caught on.

.17 Fireball was developed by remington, thus the name. This happens a lot with new calibers. Almost every big company has thier name attached to a cartridge they developed. It is similar to the .17M2. Also very uncommon.

.22-250 is a centerfire cartridge, not like any of the other rimfires you mentioned. Its much more expensive and good for long range coyote or similar sized animals. Its also popular for praire dogs.

Great choice on the Marlin 60. Stick to high velocity .22LR rounds and you will have a lot of fun.

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.22 short,long,lr-rimfire,ideal for small game,cheapest to shoot
.17HMR-rimfire,necked down .22 Mag,ideal for anywhere from small game to coyotes,arguably the best rimfire round on the market
.17HM2 or Mach 2-rimfire,.22lr necked down,ideal for small game
.17 Remington Fireball-centerfire,ideal for small game to coyote sized game

No they are not the same and that’s why they have different names.I own a .22 and a .17HMR.I like the cheapness of the .22 when just shooting but from a performance/hunting standpoint I love the .17HMR out of the list you gave/what I own.

The .22-250 Remington got it’s name because Remington was the first to sell and make rifles and ammunition for the consumer market in that caliber.The .17HMR or Hornady Magnum Rimfire,being that Hornady first produced it.That’s the easiest way to explain that without getting into too much.

Range wise it depends what you mean.All can travel over a mile but have different effective ranges when used hunting.

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There are two kinds of “range” for a bullet. The maximum range and the effective range. The max range is how far the bullet will fly if it does not hit anything. For most of the rounds you list, a mile is the max range. Effective range is how far can the bullet fly and still have enough energy to damage something it hits. That is subject to a lot of debate. Essentially, it comes down to what you can hit at various ranges.

The .22 Short is a very short ranged round used for close range paper punching.

The .22 Long is good out to about 75 yards – I don’t remember the last time I even saw a box of .22 long ammo.

The .22 Long Rifle is generally effective out to about 150 yards on thin skinned critters.

The .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) is a high velocity varmint round. But because of its light weight, down range effectiveness falls off pretty quick. Many shooters consider it a 200 yard round.

The .17 Mach Two is another high velocity variation on the above round. Both are nice flat shooting rounds, but again not that much effective range. Muzzle velocity for this particular round is about 2100 feet per second (about 800 fps faster than a .22 long rifle), but at 200 yards it has lost half that speed. Since the bullet is light, the muzzle energy is only about 165 foot pounds and at 200 yards, that is down to about 50 foot pounds.

With the .17 Rem. Fireball, you are starting to reach out a little more. The round is based on Remington’s .221 Fireball. The 20 grain, .17 caliber bullet has a velocity of a whopping 4,000 feet per second, giving the little bullet a muzzle energy of about 725 foot pounds. Because it starts out so fast, it can extend that effective range out to an easy 300 yards.

The .22-250 is my varmint rifle. It is a much larger and heavier round than any of the above. As such it is vastly superior in “effective” range. I use a 50 grain bullet in my rifle. It averages about 3900 feet per second and has a muzzle energy of over 1,700 foot pounds. My farthest shot with the rifle was at a Prairie Dog at about 450 yards. The round struck with enough energy to “disassemble” the animal.

If you want range and power, the .22-250 is head and shoulders above the rounds you list.

The name Remington appears on many bullets because they are the company that designed the bullet. Likewise you see Hornady on the .17 cal. rounds because they helped develop it. Smith & Wesson’s name is with the .40 cal. bullet because of their development work.

Hope this answers your questions.

hmmm, more questions. . .

The bullet in the .22-250 is basically the same size as the one in a .22 long rifle, i.e., they are both .22 caliber. However, the .22-250 bullet is longer and heaiver. The case for the .22-250 is also much, much larger than a case for the .22 LR. And, the .22lr is a rimfire round while the .22-250 is a center fire round.

If you are considering something between the .22 long rifle and the .22-250, I would recommend a .223. While you can spurge on an AR-15 rifle, you can also find this caliber in many bolt action rifles, such as the Savage model 110 (great buy).

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John,

You should visit your local Barnes and Nobel books store or and get a copy of the 2010 ‘Shooters Bible’. It has pictures of every bullet, and, all the data from all the different firearms ammunition in the back – bullet weights, velocities, and tables on how much they drop from 50 yds to 500 yds. In the front of book they pictures of every pistol, rifle, and shotgun sold in America and the specifications. And in the middle are pictures of all the bullets offered from all the reloading companies. They have a listing for scopes too – but – this sections always seems to be a bit out of date.

Your local library will have a ton of these going back to the early 1960′s. Very cool for reference.

This will allow you to see all the data and make your own decisions. However, be sure to come back here and get a reality check. Sometimes the statistically best caliber really isn’t that great – no sense buying the most perfect rifle if the ammo is not common and you can’t find it on the shelf!

Hope this helps

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