Can a school do this outrageous punishment?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Ok, i live in the midwest and attend a high school in Kansas. As some of you may know, deer hunting season has begun in Kansas. There are 400 people that go to my small rural school. This morning, two students showed up to school after hunting. At around 10:30 they were called to the office and were kicked out of school for 1 YEAR. Some one had their rifles in their truck and told the principal. It turns out their trucks were both locked, the guns were put on the seat so no one could see them unless they climbed the running boards to the trucks and looked in, and the safeties were both on. They got 1 year out of school suspension for having a gun on school property, BUT the planner and disciplinary policy says that having a weapon on school property is 10 days out of school suspension, and a School Board Hearing. How can the school give these kids, who by the way are seniors who get good grades, 1 year out of school suspension when the planner says 10 days?!?! I am a sophmore at this
school and I do not believe this is right at all. Way too strict of a punishment, and the principal is going against the planner and disciplinary policy by giving this large of a suspension. This is not right at all. The guys had the safeties on and in their locked truck on the seat, with no intent to harm anyone with these guns. This is ridiculous!
So, my question is, should the guys and their families get lawyers and challenge this? There will be a hearing before the school board, but should they take legal action with lawyers?
these kids never get in trouble at all, and this is a first offense for the guy that asked it.
good thoughts, even if you disagree with my opinion, but to the 2 or 3 posters that saids something about the guns being loaded, they were not…
Everyone everywhere is very afraid of everyone so yes they can suspend your friends. My condolences to the seniors.
school authorities are idiots…that IS outrageous.
It’s not ridiculous when you consider the Columbine shootings and the fact that anybody could break those car windows and take those guns out and use them to shoot up your fellow students. If it’s against policy, you should have someone bring it before the school board, but I think that they were looking out for the students’ best interests here.
People don’t care about big things but the do about small.(guns don’t kill people husbands that come home early kill people)
Tell your story to the parents at columbine! Schools have rules for a reason, if you break the rules, then you need to suffer the consequences. Sometimes the consequences are harsher for a reason, but they are needed to protect the integrity of the system!
Yea it’s wrong but…
But the fact is anyone can break into the truck, take the guns, and have a shooting spree. I think the Seniors should have had enough sense to know better than to bring weapons to the school.
On the other hand I do think 1yr is way too much, maybe the principle is trying to make an example out of them… it all depends if they’re fighting it, make a public apology and so forth.
With the amount of school shootings in the U.S. I think the school did right….if someone had got hold of those guns everyone would be asking..”How come they were allowed on school property with guns?” It was naieve of those boys….guns kill…they dont belong in a school.
Zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Guns should not be brought to school grounds….period. They deserve to be suspended and quite frankly expelled.
Come on!!! Use your friggin head.
With all of the school shootings that have been going on, for some friggin MORON to bring a gun on school property deserves a criminal charge resulting in 10-20 years in prison, let alone suspension from school.
They put the guns under their seats???
WTF????
They broke the rules, cry baby. Now they have to live with the decision they made to bring their effin’ guns to school. I have no sympathy for nitwits like you and your school mates who don’t feel rules apply to them.
If the planner and disciplinary policy actually states 10 days suspension, 10 days is for a first offense. Since your story is incomplete and biased you have left us to fill in the gaps. Bringing a gun to school is a SERIOUS offense.
The fact that they hid the guns tells me that they KNEW it was wrong. It does not in any way mitigate what they did.
Please provide the name of the school so more information can be found. I have done a pretty in depth search and am not finding any news coverage of this.
Given all of the school shootings that have been happening, it’s not all that unreasonable. They don’t want guns on their property. Even if those kids weren’t planning to use them on other students, since you have said that they could be seen and people did know they were there, anyone could have broken into the trucks and stolen them, then used them on students. The safety of the students is paramount.
Those students need to lawyer up. The school CAN punish them, but can NOT deviate from their school’s policy without due cause such as a reasonable belief of danger of a grievous nature, etc. Those kids should lawyer up. The ACLU should be contacted about this.
In High School chances are they are under 18. They can be prosecuted for having a gun in thier possession. It is understandable will all the killings happening in schools now a days that a severe punishment is necessary. In one of our local schools a kid wrote a note about a bomb being in the school he threw the note away,, it was found , he was suspended for a year. Lets KEEP our kids SAFE
The planner and disciplinary policy are just guidelines, not legally binding documents.
It does seem a bit outrageous, but the policy is the policy. No guns on school property. Period.
Yes – your principal can do this – actually it’s the law. I found this online at the website below. They might be able to get this altered if they contact the school administration, based on the fact that it is hunting season, the weapons are for hunting, and they were locked in the vehicles, and the safeties were on. It’s worth a shot!
The Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 requires expulsion of pupils for possession of weapons at school. Expulsion is to be for a period of not less than one calendar year for any pupil determined to “be in possession of a weapon at school, on school property, or at a school sponsored activity.” Also, the school is required to notify the appropriate state and local law enforcement agencies if a student brings any weapon to school. The chief administrative officer of the school may modify the expulsion requirement in a manner that is consistent with the requirements of federal law.
That’s retarded! I mean if the kids are good did they really think that they were gonna shoot up the school?? 10 days is so much more reasonable a year is just ridiculous.
I would definitely fight this tooth and nail. There has to be rules concerning guns in school but this no tolerance rule is extreme as far as I am concerned.
I just have one comment about some of the people above this post. GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
The kids should get a lawyer. What happened to the first amendment?
I personally think they should consider themselves lucky, at least they aren’t facing criminal charges….yet. In my state, there is zero tolerance for guns on school campus, they’d definately be sitting in jail right now if they were from Texas.
Ten days sounds like a punishment that is too light. Most state laws these days limit a PRINCIPAL to suspending a student for no more than “10 days, WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR EXPULSION.” Expulsion is an action that can only be done by the superintendent. I think you need to go back and read your handbook again, because I suspect that that is what it actually says.
Bringing a weapon onto school grounds is a SERIOUS OFFENSE. They deserve to have the book thrown at them.
On the other hand, I think they deserve their “day in court” to explain and possibly have their sentence reduced. But no one can make a judgement about that from what you said. You have already formed an opinion, obviated by your by-line (“outrageous punishment.”)
NO guns means NO GUNS! By their act, they said ” Screw you!”
I’d like to hear the school’s side if it. .
I, too live in Kansas, and wonder what they were doing hunting Bambi before school in the first place. Unless they are on the basketball team there would be ample time after school to hunt. Face it. They should have thought about this before being so stupid as to take their guns to school with them. If they live in the country, they should have allowed for the time it takes to drive to school so they should have taken their guns back home.
Schools have a zero tolerance police about bringing firearms onto school property, and they knew this before hand. Schools have an obligation to keeping students safe and by parking on school property you are authorizing the school administrators to randomly search your vehicle, to include standing on running bords to look inside to see if there is any contriband.
Whether the punishment was too severe would be up to the school board at an administrative hearing, and although YOU think one year is too long, what about the students who were killed at Columbine. They are dead permanently.
yes
i believe that that is outragous.
but then again, i can see were the officials at the school are coming from.
there should be something about firearms that are “souly used for recreational purposes” in the school rulebook, atleast there is one in ours.
As a long time hunter I can fully believe that what the students did was harmless and had no intent of hurting anyone. But that in no way makes what they did right. You mention the handbook and I assume everyone has access to one. Then so do these students. If they are seniors who work for good grades then I don’t see why they would think even a 10 day suspension would be worth the risk. Any way you look at it they were using very poor judgment.
However I do think the punishment exceeds the crime and if I was them I would make an attempt to appeal it any way I could. Best of luck to these two and I hope a happy compromise is made.
>> So, my question is, should the guys and their families get lawyers and challenge this? There will be a hearing before the school board, but should they take legal action with lawyers?
LOOK. Let me tell you something, and I know the critters who are SMARTER and FASTER than you can talk this up, daylight. WHY DO YOU THINK YOU GET TO TAKE A G-U-N anywhere at all, LOADED, IN A CAR, IN POST-9/11 USA?
YOU are really not too smart. THE GUNS WERE LOADED. Same goes for PRIVATE SCHOOLS, ddd. Just because you are LOADED doesn’t mean you get to take offshore or like-offshore-only-homegrown MONEY and spin it, Catholic, where USCA 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,13,14 are violated, and then the Catholic FEMALE criminals vote! What democracy makes it to representation, AND THEN TO ADMINISTRATE?
Tell you WHAT. You don’t learn to play rock’n'roll over there, and you let the fat power deals and interest hikes cook the taxpayers’ books, and YOU AIN’T MARTHA STEWART. And your PRIVATE SCHOOLS pass illegal costs, on graduation, implicitly at conspiracy to violate civil rights of citizens, but particularly of smart people who don’t want to do Catholic math homework, day after day, night after night of ABORTION MONITORING (time for tubby BAM-BAM-BAM) and then body counts, of their suicides and murders. Might be ALL of us go down, unless somebody stops them.
You think you get to have a GUN on campus, WELL. NO MORE CAMPUS FOR ANYBODY, REAL SOON, since you gun nuts didn’t do the math, at all, since 2001, and here it is nearly 2008, and YOU AREN’T TALKING SMARTER THAN EVEN ONE ANIMAL, YOU WENT OUT AND BLASTED.
School’s out, for YOU.
Meanwhile, smarten up, TO HOMELAND SECURITY, and do it, MY WAY. Now!
Since I really am who knows WHY the Lennon murder AND the Scott Evil case in Cali AND why Eric suggested deadhead Clapton AND Dylan suggested deadhead Zimmy went for the cross in error AND why Cho Seung Hui did 32 and one AND why VTI sucks for blasting Sandman AND why Cho wrote ISMAIL AX in blood AND not only Van Halen always sucked, so shut up, AND why they still suck, AND why you should have fed the critters, but nooooo, then I GET TO LET YOU ALL IN ON A LITTLE SOMETHING, now and then.
SCHOOL WAS GOING OUT, FOREVER, back when in 1971 the Rolling Stolens cooked MY books at CAL and duped my downstairs playing for BOTH Goat’shead Soup AND Sticky Fingers AND ATCO-Warner got AC-ZZ and I GOT IN NO REAL BANDS, SINCE NOBODY COULD REALLY PLAY, THEN OR NOW. You guys only dupe and duck and cover.
So when I tell you that you missed ALL THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ON YOUR ACCOUNTING HOMEWORK, you all DDDs better drop the Es-pan-yo-LaLa and LISTEN UP.
You are at SEDITIOUS RIOT, at your schools, illegally funded, learning nothing but how to do crime, on a purged populace.
YOU are both the hunters and hunted, BUT YOU ARE RIOTOUS, FOR ORDER TO DESIST, HAVING CROSS-CONTAMINATED EVERYTHING AND BODY AND PERSON, in all directions, for years, LIKE RADIOACTIVITY.
So you get to leave the campus, when I order you to. YO!!
Even IF you think you paid for it, you are cooking illegal costs into everything, and that means SOME people will for sure get back to blasting all of you, at once, WHICH IS AN ILLEGALLY PROXIMATE, STANDING HAZARD, an illegal device toward imminent further injury, A DESPICABLE AGGRAVATION OF YOUR CONTEMPT, every riotous one’s.
And why in hell in 36 years since I started getting ripped for riffs I played at CAL (including all the Zep AND Ozzy) have NONE OF YOU STUPIDS i mean students LEARNED TO GET A BASSIST AND DRUMMER, OVER THE HECK HERE?! Look at Halen try to sell tix. boo. I’m the bob who bought the shoobie and whatever, so now, THEY GET TO OPEN THE HOLES BACK UP AND GIVE ME THE BALL, or SHUT THE HELL UP, FAT GIRLS!
Meanwhile, your schools stink, they don’t rock, they never did, and you learn to purge the real rock and rockers, and then get the orchestra to the senior center with all the punks of every sort and 7th skanks or whatever. So ADA yourself off campus. You don’t get to bring guns, you forgot to bring brains, you let DDD get all the mmmMONEY, and win all the forensic arguments, SO GET OFF THE CAMPUS, you don’t deserve it, YOU BELONG IN A ZOO, SO BE GLAD TO RUN!
GO HOME, forever, since you didn’t learn but to steal and then, to kill or to be killed, so you are a proximate hazard, stupified, pretending you are at the homecoming hoops.
BUT YOU ARE UNFUNDED, playing kill or be killed, IN MY TRAFFIC. Get your broke butts home. You may not put up apostate Hispanic-Asian invasion then 1st generation D-student geeks, who cannot drive OR cross-breed with anybody smart, and look what their derivatives can do.
NOT CONSTITUIONAL ENFORCEMENT, but migration of seditious conspiracy and contempt. So why put up with any sort of Catholics, at organized crime, in traffic? Well the whitest ones are working at local copshops, illegally enforcing enhancements and false arrests, so clue up, NO MORE CITIES, JIMBO and BIMBO. NOT salvagable.
Their assets go to the illegally interested states, but for lawful divestment, for cause. And you STUPIDS i mean students GET BACK TO YOUR HOMEWORK, and then, keep it all at home, until we send for you. Then you take a test, or go to jail.
It matters not if they were loaded or not. Presumably there was ammunition somewhere in the vehicle. The fact that they were on seat but still could be seen by climbing up it still “plain view”. If the school has a no weapons policy that is written they have issues.There are also the federal policies….. which mandate federal charges.
The parents should get a lawyer and explain a few things to the school board. The school board did as they should but why the 10 days versus a year? Do the politicians want this mucked through court? In light of Columbine and such do they really want national attention? Some sort of deal could be worked out.